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Poster: | jeffyjo | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 9:46am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
And... if this is so illegal, why did the band allow it for 40 years, only "cracking down" when times got tough and the money got short? 40 years is a heck of a precedent to try to destroy. I also don't like how he makes the archive.org team out to be some band of crazy bootleggers and criminals.
It's just sad.
I don't feel the need to sign anything, but I can see why people are boycotting him, and this makes me think twice about giving him my money as well. Because that seems to be our only use to him.
Jeff
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Poster: | markpj | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 10:11am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
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Poster: | woodro69 | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 9:38pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-12-04 05:38:55
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Poster: | geronimo1 | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 9:55pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Please Honor Bob's Request |
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Poster: | smagnolia | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 10:27pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Please Honor Bob's Request |
Peace...................
(another GREAT quote from this Bob interview was "We need the revenue". I will not spend another dime to see Ratdog.)
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Poster: | pnc | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 10:32am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
besides sounding stoned, bob sounds defensive. i wonder why? you'd only have to be tuned in to all the whiners posting on the archive to stop wondering...
maybe bob made a (poor) decision (it sounds like on his own)and maybe he did not handle the explanation effectively in this interview, but if i was in his position, and had witnessed the ridiculous sense of entitlement displayed by some heads...i might be turned to the darkside too. i'm guessing that "see'ya" was to all of you...people, they were never doing it for all of us anyway. music is, and always has been, a business. even for the best band to ever go on stage...
what may have eventually come around to the sbds being put right back on this site as they were a few weeks ago, for the DL...sounds like it'll never happen now. and I'm blaming those folks who couldn't just chill and see how it all played out...(i.e., waited to see if somebody like phil could talk some sense into the other band memebers).
this whole thing has just sucked...and as Diana has pointed out again and again, this has not set a positive precedent for other bands considering opening their music up to the archive.
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Poster: | Eytan | Date: | Dec 4, 2005 7:20am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
Bottom line, stand up and take responsibility for YOUR actions, don't blame archive.org. He really does remind me of this current administration and the inability to take responsibility for your own actions and where that gets you.
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Poster: | HighNRGOne | Date: | Dec 4, 2005 5:21am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Space Cadet of Circumstance......Babbling in a Trance |
This post was modified by HighNRGOne on 2005-12-04 13:21:14
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Poster: | angular | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 11:05am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
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Poster: | my13 | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 4:53pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
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Poster: | jhender501 | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 11:41am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
Well put, pnc
Jim
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Poster: | davidbarfield | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 11:53pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
just a little.
"besides sounding stoned, bob sounds defensive. i wonder why? you'd only have to be tuned in to all the whiners posting on the archive to stop wondering..."
it's beyond defenive, it is hostile. he mocked the people who were pissed at the decision (listen to his fake hippie voice) by basically claiming them to be ignorant, entitled dopes. perhaps there are some dopes, and when dopes get angry they may write unseemly things on message boards. but at the same time a lot of other people express themselves in positive ways--it all comes out in the wash
this business about entitlement kinda freaks me out. when someone takes your property (in this case, audience tapes) and defines how you are to use it, well simply; it's maddening. let's not revise history, they took everything down and it was only because of the heads freaking that got them back up. in a way, i would have loved to see the case in court (they'd have lost)...but back to weir. don't know about y'all, but i don't know any hippies. everyone i've ever met taping, at shows, online are people with jobs, advanced degrees, kids, lives, and brains. what makes weir's claims so outrageous is that he's off track so far ("illegal" ??? wtf?) and his attitude so offensive, that blaming it on a coupla effed up posts on archive does not answer get to the heart of what's up.
"maybe bob made a (poor) decision (it sounds like on his own)and maybe he did not handle the explanation effectively in this interview, but if i was in his position, and had witnessed the ridiculous sense of entitlement displayed by some heads...i might be turned to the darkside too. i'm guessing that "see'ya" was to all of you...people, they were never doing it for all of us anyway. music is, and always has been, a business. even for the best band to ever go on stage..."
the problem with this, again, is that it's not "entitlement" the way you use the term. your defintion seems to imply that there's no basis whatever for people to be angry, and then using that (sometimes over-the-top) anger as rationalization for their crappy behavior. bob weir had a line once about how deadheads should behave at shows. he discounted telling other what to do, instead advocating that people set a "conspicuous example" of good behavior. i agreed with that..
"what may have eventually come around to the sbds being put right back on this site as they were a few weeks ago, for the DL...sounds like it'll never happen now. and I'm blaming those folks who couldn't just chill and see how it all played out...(i.e., waited to see if somebody like phil could talk some sense into the other band memebers)."
here i think you're just wrong.
"this whole thing has just sucked...and as Diana has pointed out again and again, this has not set a positive precedent for other bands considering opening their music up to the archive."
perhaps, but given the particulars of this situation there's no other band that even comes close to the issues raised here, nor will there ever be again.
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Poster: | Urthmover | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 11:50am |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |
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Poster: | RickyD | Date: | Dec 3, 2005 2:34pm |
Forum: | etree | Subject: | Re: Bob Weir Interview |